Former CBC and BBC Radio Host Mary Ambrose sits down for a conversation about the thinking behind the launch of the World Refugee Council, an independent group of global leaders and innovators aimed at advancing new solutions to the refugee crisis, with Lloyd Axworthy, chair of the council and former Canadian foreign affairs minister, who provides a behind-the-scenes account of the shuttle diplomacy required to reform the international refugee regime and create a predictable, cooperative and more humane system.